Dungeons & Dragons Online Forum

Hi,
Everything seems to start fine, patched great, however when I go to log in I get blank / black screen and an Error 129 code. I know (from quite a bit of research) that this means a video driver issue. I have an old integrated Radeon X1200 video card. I'm using Linux and open license driver. My question is, would / is there a way to load the propriety video driver when I'm running DDO (as I've tried to load it in the OS by default however it doesn't work as well (or at all)). Just wondering if there is a work around. I know that this system will run DDO as I have been running it under the windows partition (however I'm getting rd to delete that partition due to piracy). THanks in advance to any advice or direction any one has.

Bump... got trial to see if I could get game running on linux.... would buy if I am able.

Thank you for taking time to let me know if I would be able to either install a propriety driver to get this running or what .

Nicholas Russell wrote:

Hi,
Everything seems to start fine, patched great, however when I go
to log in I get blank / black screen and an Error 129 code. I know
(from quite a bit of research) that this means a video driver issue.
I have an old integrated Radeon X1200 video card. I'm using Linux
and open license driver. My question is, would / is there a way to
load the propriety video driver when I'm running DDO (as I've tried
to load it in the OS by default however it doesn't work as well (or
at all)). Just wondering if there is a work around. I know that
this system will run DDO as I have been running it under the windows
partition (however I'm getting rd to delete that partition due to
piracy). THanks in advance to any advice or direction any one has.

Interesting, first time I've heard of any error codes being displayed with the "black screen problem."

1- What version of CrossOver are you using
2- What OS (and version) are you using

Other points. CrossOver is WINE. if Wine recognizes your video card then so will DDO.

DDO has no proprietary video drivers.

Currently running trial version of Crossover (I was able to get the same problem in Wine however thought I would try a paid version for support, but when had same problem wanted to see if I could resolve it before paying for the software).

What I was thinking is that if I was able to load a proprietary video driver when I run DDO then it would work (as it works in Windows on this system with and without the prop driver).

I'm currently running a version of Linux called Ultimate Edition 3.01 (Believe it's release Ultamint 3.01 (natty) GNOME 2.32.1 (Linux Mint 2011-04-14))

have not been able to get the unsupported proprietary driver to load, and when I mess with it I end up back at using the open license driver.

Like I said the confusing part is that DDO will run in windows, but not in linux on this machine.

Nicholas Russell wrote:

What I was thinking is that if I was able to load a proprietary
video driver when I run DDO then it would work (as it works in
Windows on this system with and without the prop driver).

I'm currently running a version of Linux called Ultimate Edition
3.01 (Believe it's release Ultamint 3.01 (natty) GNOME 2.32.1
(Linux Mint 2011-04-14))

have not been able to get the unsupported proprietary driver to
load, and when I mess with it I end up back at using the open
license driver.

Like I said the confusing part is that DDO will run in windows, but
not in linux on this machine.

Why is that confusing -- you are using two different operating systems? Different behavior is to be expected.

I don't know what you mean when you keep using the words "proprietary driver." Do you mean Vendor supplied? DDO has no video drivers of its own. Period.

Video drivers are a complex OS issue. Games make use of various graphics features, but the ability of a driver to work or not work is a function of its integration with the OS. I have no idea what "features" the "open license driver" you are referring to provides. It sounds like they do not meet the minimum requirements necessary for your particular card to work with DDO. That driver may work with your card simply BECAUSE it only meets the cards minimum requirements. An example -- the Lowest Common Denominator in video is the VT100 (aka ANSI terminal), but supporting a VT100 will get you "video," it won't let you do much. :)

As a simple example of the issue -- under OSX, it is not possible to install ANY vendor supplied video drivers. The reason is quite simple. Unlike Windows, Apple does not use Vendor supplied software. They LICENSE the code from the vendor, then modify it to suit their own OS environment. (i.e. API, system calls, etc.)

LINUX is its own special case -- not only is there no such thing as "LINUX," but software which woks on one Vendor's version of LInux will not necessarily run or behave the same way under another version. Why am I calling it a "special case?" Because each version's supporters not only believe that their version is the best (a totally reasonable belief) but that any "linux software" should work on their version. (And I must admit, I have never heard of the "Ultramint" version so I know virtually nothing about its "functionality," or how it is similar to, or different from, other versions of Linux.)

I would recommend taking your Driver question(s) to the support forums for Ultramint. You're likely going to need seriously detailed (in depth) technical advice on this one. And/or visit the WINE support forums (winehq.org) and their video section. You might get support/an answer from the LOTRO forum at WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23486

Sean van der Walt wrote:

I don't know what you mean when you keep using the words
"proprietary driver." Do you mean Vendor supplied? DDO has no video
drivers of its own. Period.

Proprietary is the correct terminology for Linux drivers.

Sean van der Walt wrote:

LINUX is its own special case -- not only is there no such thing as
"LINUX," but software which woks on one Vendor's version of LInux
will not necessarily run or behave the same way under another
version. Why am I calling it a "special case?" Because each
version's supporters not only believe that their version is the best
(a totally reasonable belief) but that any "linux software" should
work on their version. (And I must admit, I have never heard of the
"Ultramint" version so I know virtually nothing about its
"functionality," or how it is similar to, or different from, other
versions of Linux.)

I would recommend taking your Driver question(s) to the support
forums for Ultramint. You're likely going to need seriously detailed
(in depth) technical advice on this one. And/or visit the WINE
support forums (winehq.org) and their video section. You might get
support/an answer from the LOTRO forum at WINE:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23486

This is very inaccurate. There is indeed only one Linux - a single kernel. As for GNU/Linux, there are several distributions, but they are for the most part binary compatible, within reason, though special care obviously has to be taken to get proper relocatable binaries. Proprietary drivers are designed to be portable between distros, as is Crossover (though they limit which they "officially" support, though that usually does not matter much in practice).

Nicholas Russell wrote:

Like I said the confusing part is that DDO will run in windows, but
not in linux on this machine.

ATI's drivers for Linux have generally been somewhat lacking. I doubt there is any chance at all of getting any heavy 3d game to run with the free/open drivers. The free ones are usually ok for desktop use, but not very useful for gaming. You need to get the proprietary drivers installed. Here you will need to consult the distro's documentation, as they generally have packages for these. If it's mint based, that is in turn Ubuntu based (which in turn is Debian based, ahem), so you should be able to follow instructions for those distributions. I'm on Debian here, and not on ATI, so I can't help much, though I keep seeing "Hardware Drivers tool" mentioned in documentation, so perhaps that could be a place to start. Otherwise, like William said, the distros forums, wiki or IRC channel are your best bets.

Also, as for the whole "runs on Windows, but not Linux on the same machine". Keep in mind that Wine/Crossover needs to translate all calls to the Windows API to their Linux/POSIX equivalents, and the layer is in no way complete. It also needs to translate Direct3D to OpenGL, which in turn relies upon the graphics driver - in short there are several things that can be different making stuff that runs on Windows not run on the same machine in Wine/CX :).

Nicholas Russell wrote:

Currently running trial version of Crossover (I was able to get the
same problem in Wine however thought I would try a paid version for
support, but when had same problem wanted to see if I could resolve
it before paying for the software).

What I was thinking is that if I was able to load a proprietary
video driver when I run DDO then it would work (as it works in
Windows on this system with and without the prop driver).

I'm currently running a version of Linux called Ultimate Edition
3.01 (Believe it's release Ultamint 3.01 (natty) GNOME 2.32.1
(Linux Mint 2011-04-14))

have not been able to get the unsupported proprietary driver to
load, and when I mess with it I end up back at using the open
license driver.

Like I said the confusing part is that DDO will run in windows, but
not in linux on this machine.

...you will have to (correctly) install and configure the proprietary Ati v9.3.x
drivers for linux before DDO will run - end of story. The free open-source drivers
(xorg) don't do 3D at all on that hardware afaik..